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 Πάνω από 15 καινούργια κείμενα! http://www.ipertisalithias.gr/index.php?cat=15&id=2&bg=18#6 

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-Είναι ο Ιησούς ο Εωσφόρος; (Στα αγγλικα.) http://www.ipertisalithias.gr/index.php?cat=3&id=218&bg=18#article

-Αντιφάσκει άραγε ο Ιάκωβος με τον Παύλο, όσο αφορά το Ευαγγέλιο της σωτηρίας εν Χριστώ; http://www.ipertisalithias.gr/index.php?cat=3&id=210&bg=18#article 

-Κριτική σε βίντεο του κ.Κώστα Δρακιώτη (της ΕΑΕΠ) περί αρπαγής πρίν τον αντίχριστο
(Το κείμενο βελτιώθηκε της 24/10/2023. Αν κανείς θέλει να το σχολιάσει, να το λαβει υπόψη):
http://www.ipertisalithias.gr/index.php?cat=3&id=154&bg=18#article 

-Η πολυπόθητη «ενότητα», το πρόβλημα και η λύση.

Αιώνια καταδίκη δεν υπάρχει!» …Λέει ο ξεγελασμένος…

-Το Ευαγγέλιο των τεσσάρων Ευαγγελίων, είναι άραγε το ίδιο με αυτό των επιστολών;
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Για να λάβει ο πιστός το Άγιο Πνεύμα πρέπει να το ζητάει; http://www.ipertisalithias.gr/index.php?cat=8&id=28&bg=18#article
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Is Jesus, Lucifer?

NO!

    Translations, as well as our lack of discernment, mess things up. Let’s stick to the Greek and Hebrew when we try to understand the English…

    Lucifer is a latin word, deriving from the Greek word eosphoros/εωσφόρος. This word was chosen to be used in the Greek Septuagint. We read:

Isa 14:12 How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent orders to all the nations is crushed to the earth(Brenton’s Septuagint)

-The word Lucifer there, in Hebrew heylel, was translated by the70 Hebrew scholars in Greek, as eosphoros/εωσφορος and in Greek the word itself eosphoros/εωσφόρος means "morning/dawn bearer/bringer"; I emphasize this is the Greek word chosen by the 70 Jewish scholars that created the Septuagint/LXX; it is highly likely they translated the Hebrew word heylel correct. Strongs' tells us:

הֵילֵל

hêylêl

hay-lale'

From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer.

Total KJV occurrences: 1

   Having made that clear, although in the verse it doesn’t mention the name/title of Satan/Devil, this “Lucifer… that has fallen from heaven,” most likely refers to satan in the Isaiah 14:12 if we compare it to Luke 10:18:

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (KJV)

    In that same verse in Isaiah 14:12, we read:

(Partially my translation from the Greek Septuagint; I am Greek, but do compare with Brenton’s above.)

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer(εωσφόρος), that raises in the morning (Greek Sept. πρω νατλλων)! he was stricken down to the earth/ground, he that is sent to all nations!

-Isaiah is likely naming someone(Satan) as Lucifer/Venus, to point out how they too were high up and shined from there, as an angel close to God.

    So, based on the Old Testament, that is how heylel is translated to ancient Greek, that is, eosphoros, but we have no mention of Jesus called with the Greek word εωσφόρος (in Latin: Lucifer) in the New Testament!!!!!

This actually closes the issue as to if they are both called “Lucifer/eosphoros.”
But more clarifications will be helpful.

 

vJesus is actually not even called Light barer (phosphoros/φωσφορος) as some think is implied in 2 Peter 1:19. We read there (with my more precise translation of the: a phosphoros) :

And we have the prophetic word made more sure, which you do well to heed, as a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and a lightbringer that which bears/brings light rises in your hearts

(In Greek, the word is phosphoros/φωσφοροςnot eosphoros/εωσφόρος/

Lucifer, not morning star);

--This verse does not directly say Jesus is that lightbringer/that which brings light, regardless that it may seem to imply that to us. Jesus is not literally mentioned here, but even if it He is implied, the word is not dawn bearer/bringer(Lucifer/eosphoros), but light bearer/bringer(phosphoros), spelled differently in the Greek as we see when comparing the two words!

 

But let’s continue.

vJesus is metaphorically calls Himself the bright and dawning star:

Revelations 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and dawning star. (In Greek: ο αστηρ ο λαμπρος και ορθρινος / the star that is bright and of the dawn.)

Two side notes.

-1. Satan is not called by those exact words in Isaiah, only alluded to the same. We bring to mind to compare:

Isa.14:12 How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven!.....

-2. The word “morning” (raised in the…), used in the Septuagint is the word proee/πρωί (the word we still use in Greek today for morning), but John uses the word orthrinos/ορθρινός, which refers to dawn to describe the action of that star, the period just before the raising of the sun, thus referring to Venus.

-3. The words eosphoros and phosphoros, both can be used to speak of the morning star Venus, BUT, as to who in the Bible is mentioned as Lucifer(eosphoros), it’s Satan, and not Jesus.


Conclusions:

*Jesus is not directly named with the word "dawn bringer" (Lucifer/eosphoros/

εωσφόρος)

*Jesus however is literally describes Himself (not names Himself) “the bright and dawning star"(Rev.22:16) which refers to the planet Venus, which is also called Lucifer(dawn bringer). We will see why He does that.

*Jesus may be implied as a "light bearer/bringer"(“phosphoros” in 2Peter 1:19), which is a similar word to "dawn bearer/bringer,"(“Lucifer” in Isa.14:12) but not the same.

*Satan is called Lucifer, that "raises in the morning" (Isa.14:12), which again implies the planet Venus raising before the sun.

    These last facts however, since Satan and Jesus from different perspectives relate to Venus, may seem to imply the same person to some that disregard the teachings(!) related to both, but they at least need to be informed that the same exact words are NOT used for both. Still, if we accept that both perspectives (title of Satan and description of Jesus) were to speak of Venus which gives off a very bright light seen even during the day, what can the explanation be, how are Satan and Jesus related to the star Venus? Easy. Lucifer (Venus) was an honorary title of Satan to speak of his glory  before he was cast out. The honorary description however belongs to Jesus Christ! He DESCRIBES Himself as the very known star THAT HE CREATED (not even naming it), that is, Venus, implying that He is the coming shining hope of a new eternal day to those that follow Him, that He will raise in the hearts as they see Him in His second coming (2Peter 1:19).

   -Final conclusion: Both the Muslim and the Christian had it wrong. According to the Bible, Lucifer is not Jesus Christ.

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